Greatest Pitchers vs. the Greatest Hitters
What happens when you put a pair of superstars on opposite teams on the same field? One superstar happens to be a pitcher, and the other one is a batter. How well do some superstars perform against others?
I decided to take a look at some of the best pitchers of all-time, and see how well they performed against high level competition. Specifically, I have listed the stats of a fine hitter a pitcher performed well against, and a HOF-caliber batter who hit them hard. Although there may be individual batters who hit certain pitchers even better than the ones I’ve listed, generally speaking, those hitters weren’t normally considered superstar level performers.
Here are the results: (Minimum of 50 at bats.)
1) Sandy Koufax vs. Hank Aaron:
116 at bats, 42 hits, 6 doubles, 3 triples, 7 homers, 16 RBI, 14 walks, 12 strikeouts. .362/.431/.647 OPS: 1.077
2) Sandy Koufax vs. Lou Brock:
65 at bats, 12 hits, 4 doubles, 0 triples, 0 homers, 1 RBI, 3 walks, 28 strikeouts. .185/.232/.246 OPS: .478
3) Bob Gibson vs. Eddie Mathews:
95 at bats, 31 hits, 5 doubles, 1 triple, 4 homers, 13 RBI, 21 walks, 14 strikeouts. .326/.448/.526 OPS: .975
4) Bob Gibson vs. Roberto Clemente:
125 at bats, 26 hits, 1 double, 2 triples, 4 homers, 16 RBI, 2 walks, 32 strikeouts. .208/.219/.344 OPS: .563
5) Tom Seaver vs. Joe Morgan:
109 at bats, 32 hits, 8 doubles, 0 triples, 5 homers, 11 RBI, 23 walks, 17 strikeouts. .294/.415/.505 OPS: .919
6) Tom Seaver vs. Johnny Bench:
84 at bats, 15 hits, 7 doubles, 0 triples, 2 homers, 8 RBI, 11 walks, 27 strikeouts. .179/.271/.333 OPS: .604
7) Warren Spahn vs. Stan Musial:
291 at bats, 95 hits, 21 doubles, 6 triples, 14 homers, 45 RBI, 43 walks, 28 strikeouts. .326/.417/.584 OPS: 1.001
8) Warren Spahn vs. Duke Snider:
80 at bats, 19 hits, 3 doubles, 0 triples, 4 homers, 12 RBI, 8 walks, 18 strikeouts. .238/.315/.425 OPS: .740
9) Robin Roberts vs. Ernie Banks:
121 at bats, 41 hits, 4 doubles, 3 triples, 15 homers, 31 RBI, 7 walks, 22 strikeouts. .339/.377/.793 OPS: 1.170
10) Robin Roberts vs. Orlando Cepeda:
63 at bats, 16 hits, 3 doubles, 0 triples, 2 homers, 11 RBI, 1 walk, 12 strikeouts. .254/.262/.397 OPS: .658
11) Steve Carlton vs. Gary Carter:
116 at bats, 36 hits, 9 doubles, 0 triples, 11 homers, 24 RBI, 18 walks, 7 strikeouts. .310/.400/.672 OPS: 1.072
12) Steve Carlton vs. Tony Perez:
108 at bats, 21 hits, 5 doubles, 0 triples, 3 homers, 10 RBI, 16 walks, 26 strikeouts. .194/.294/.324 OPS: .618
13) Nolan Ryan vs. Carl Yastrzemski:
50 at bats, 17 hits, 1 double, 0 triples, 4 homers, 14 RBI, 12 walks, 7 strikeouts. .340/.469/.600 OPS: 1.069
14) Nolan Ryan vs. Robin Yount:
69 at bats, 16 hits, 4 doubles, 1 triple, 2 homers, 10 RBI, 8 walks, 16 strikeouts. .232/.329/.406 OPS: .735
15) Greg Maddux vs. Tony Gwynn:
94 at bats, 39 hits, 8 doubles, 1 triple, 0 homers, 9 RBI, 11 walks, 0 strikeouts. .415/.476..521 OPS: .997
16) Greg Maddux vs. Mike Piazza:
80 at bats, 19 hits, 1 double, 0 triples, 4 homers, 10 RBI, 1 walk, 12 strikeouts. .238/.247/.400 OPS: .647
Who Is the Average Hall of Fame Player?
Virtually every conversation about the Baseball Hall of Fame includes some version of the following argument:
“We shouldn’t water down the Hall of Fame. It should only be reserved for the best of the best.”
The implication being, of course, that every pitcher on the ballot needs to compare favorably to Tom Seaver, Walter Johnson, and Sandy Koufax. The same, of course, is true of every position player on the ballot. Willie Mays, Hank Aaron, Babe Ruth, and Ted Williams are the immortals that some fans believe our most recent ballot hopefuls need to measure up to in order to merit serious consideration for being inducted into the Hall of Fame.
But how realistic and accurate is that assessment? What is a “real” Hall of Fame-caliber player? When we’re discussing the careers of Biggio, Bagwell, Thomas, Piazza, Walker, etc., (among the position players on the ballot), what is a fair and honest standard to hold them to in order to reward them with a plaque in Cooperstown?
Fortunately, Baseball-Reference has a page that actually sheds some light on these questions. Here are the statistics for a typical, average position player already in the Hall of Fame:
Games: 2,134, Plate Appearances: 8,996, At Bats: 7,917, Hits: 2,397, Doubles: 409, Triples: 110
Home Runs: 209, Runs Scored: 1,321, RBI: 1,212, Stolen Bases: 228, Walks: 889, Strikeouts: 728
Triple Slash Line: .303 / .376 / .462, OPS: .837 WAR: 69
I did a little research to see if I could find one player in baseball history who came closest to approximating those stats over the course of his career. While there was no one player that matched perfectly, of course, there were a few who came relatively close. For example, here’s Player A:
Games: 2,076, Plate Appearances: 9,053, At Bats: 7,869, Hits: 2,336, Doubles: 449, Triples: 55
Home Runs: 287, Runs Scored: 1,366, RBI: 1,257, Stolen Bases: 147, Walks: 1,069, Strikeouts: 1,212
Triple Slash Line: .297 / .381 / .477, OPS: .858 WAR: 49.5 (But Offensive WAR: 62.7).
As you can see, Player A had a little more power, and a little less speed than your “average” HOF player. But overall, this player is a pretty good comp. Let’s try another. Here’s Player B:
Games: 1,976, Plate Appearances: 8,283, At Bats: 7,173, Hits: 2,176, Doubles: 440, Triples: 47
Home Runs: 284, Runs Scored: 1,186, RBI: 1,205, Stolen Bases: 67, Walks: 937, Strikeouts: 1,190
Triple Slash Line: .303 / .384 / .497, OPS: .880 WAR: 56.2
Player B’s batting average is right on the money, and his on-base percentage is close. Again, a little more power and less speed than the average HOF’er. One last comp: Player C
Games: 2,380, Plate Appearances: 9,086, At Bats: 7,946, Hits: 2,383, Doubles: 413, Triples: 148
Home Runs: 169, Runs Scored: 1,247, RBI: 1,304, Stolen Bases: 71, Walks: 1,018, Strikeouts: 538
Triple Slash Line: .300 / .382 / .453, OPS: .834 WAR: 55.1
Player C’s Triple Slash Line is very close to the average HOF’er, as are his hits, doubles and triples. The WAR is a little low, but the rest of the profile matches up pretty well with our hypothetically average Hall of Famer.
Which of the three do you like best?
O.K., I wasn’t being completely fair. Of the three players I analyzed, only Player C is actually in the Hall of Fame. Player C is Enos Slaughter, inducted into The Hall in 1985.
Working backward, Player B is Will Clark, and Player A is Bernie Williams. In other words, a typical Hall of Fame-caliber player isn’t necessarily even in the Hall of Fame.
As you can see, then, although many baseball fans feel protective of the Hall of Fame, and don’t want it to be “watered down” by inducting “unworthy” players, the truth is, the Hall of Fame doesn’t require protection from any of us.
There is little danger that any of the players on the current ballot who might conceivably be inducted would, in any objective way, lower the standards of the Hall of Fame as it actually exists. If anything, the majority of the players on this year’s Hall of Fame ballot are, by historical standards, overqualified.*
Simply put, this is not just Hank Aaron’s Hall of Fame. It is Enos Slaughter’s Hall of Fame as well.**
And there’s nothing wrong with that.
*You will find that this is true, even if you decide to break the list down position by position.
**It may also some day be Carlos Beltran’s Hall of Fame. Though his stats are also pretty close to the historical averages, I didn’t include him because he is still currently active.